capsrus
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hate 'em too, but... While I share the contempt for Pittsburgh fans, it is a little outdated to trash the city for the failure of the steel industry. I spent time there in the 70s - when it was a festering, dying, stinking hell hole shedding good paying jobs by the minute. But Pittsburgh's economy these days is much more reliant on medical, banking and education industries. Economically, the city is a success story (especially when compared to, say, Detroit, which lost its core industry and has never come close to recovering). Which only begs the question of why all those idiot Steeler and Penguin fans still leave the city and move here (or somewhere else). What's up with yinz guys? |
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Chuck U. Farley
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... First of all, people who hate the Pens and their fans need to get their stories straight on the bankruptcy/relocation thing. The bankruptcy had nothing to do with fan support. The Penguins were very successful and popular in the '90s. Pittsburgh is still a small market, so it was difficult to support the salary the Pens were paying to Jagr, Francis, Lemieux, etc. Furthermore, the previous ownership got into some bad lease agreements on the arena and lost a lot of money. The bankruptcy was caused by incompetent ownership and excessive spending, not lack of fan support. As for relocation, that was never going to happen. Lemieux stated as much after the new-arena deal was secured. He threatened relocation as a negotiating tactic. Attendance was down in the seasons leading up to the lockout after the Pens traded Jagr, but that happens with any team that struggles. Also, many people felt the Pens were leaving and started giving up on the team. I'm not saying Pittsburgh fans aren't bandwagoners, but pretty much every fan base can be accused of that. Also, is it really necessary to disparage an entire region and its people? Pittsburgh has its problems, but its not the hellhole that you make it out to be. People have been leaving since the steel industry dried up (that happened in the '70s...move on...we have), but it's not because Pittsburgh is a depressing war zone. A lot of people come to Pittsburgh from the surrounding area to attend one of the many fine colleges and universities found in Pittsburgh. Then they leave to pursue their careers after 4-8 years of education depending on the type of degree they earned. Others leave because there are more jobs elsewhere. Many cities and regions that aren't third-world hellholes experience that kind of negative population growth. Pittsburgh certainly has its share of ignorant people, but so does every city/region on this planet. Calling us under-evolved subhumans is pointless. Under-evolved subhumanity is not unique to Pittsburgh. I mean, come on. You can call Pittsburgh fans obnoxious, arrogant, ignorant, etc., but you don't have to make sweeping generalizations about us that suggest we are like that in all aspects of life. For being so much better than us, DMV sports fans spend a lot of time obsessing about Pittsburgh sports fans. Don't get dragged down to our level by your envy of our sports teams' success. Just laugh at the Pirates, ignore the rest and continue being better than us. |
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Chuck U. Farley
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... Capsrus, Thanks for being honest. Pittsburgh fans are obnoxious. I have a hard time standing most of my fellow Steelers and Pens fans myself. Still, you can hate Pittsburgh fans without grasping at straws to rip on the the city and the region on topics not remotely related to sports. |
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The Miz
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... Chuck, I appreciate the comments, and since you seem like a reasonable guy, I should address a few of your points. Before doing that, keep in mind that this is a D.C. Sports Blog, and you're probably going to be in the minority around here. The posts are geared towards D.C. fans, and you're not going to like what I say. Anyway, a couple of points: I understand the steel industry thing is played out (and I probably shouldn't have gone there). This whole thing is intended to poke fun and be a little exaggerated. I'm not stupid enough to think the entire region is poor or desolate, but it is peculiar that so many people choose to bolt W. PA if it's such a wonderful place to live and raise a family. I understand that regions that aren't hell holes experience negative population growth, but Pittsburgh is unique in the fact that the fans are especially mouthy about how wonderful their hometown is, even though it seems like such a large percentage choose to leave. You don't see such insufferable people from many other areas (save #1 and #2 on our list). Secondly, the fans make up a big part of why we DCers hate Pittsburgh. You hit the nail on the head when you say they're obnoxious (although you don't seem to be) and some of that comes from their demeanor. Some of that behavior is going to pull socioeconomic status into play in a post like this. Try not to take it personally. Thirdly, this idea that DC is obsessed with Pittsburgh is largely blown out of proportion. I can't stand the place, but it's not at the top of my hate list. There are other fans and cities that piss me off more. The fact that you stumbled upon this post the same week that Sidney Crosby broke the hearts of Americans everywhere is a pretty big coincidence. I typically don't harp on it. Lastly, the evolution thing was a joke. Calm down. It was a riff off of comments made to me by a Steelers fan and something that makes for a fun anecdote. If you think I truly believe that Pittsburghers are less evolved than the rest of the nation, you really need to quit taking this blog so seriously. Anyway, I appreciate the read and the comments, and I hope you can understand that this is meant to be taken with a grain of salt. You'll probably enjoy the post about your cross-state buddies in the next day or so anyway. |
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CapsWin
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Pittsburgh I have to agree that Pittsburgh is up there, right with Dallas, Philly and Baltimore. The fact that Crosby plays there ALONE is enough to hate them. |
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CGally
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... Alright... (cracks knuckles)... Let's do this. First off, #3???? Are you sure about that? I'm guessing the others are the Cowboys and Eagles, but as a Pittsburgh fan living in DC, I can assure you the hatred is just as heated. Great post though. My only beef when people rip on fans is by calling them bandwagon fans. I know that it seems like there are bandwagoners because everyone lives in DC instead of Pittsburgh. But I haven't personally run into anyone that said "I started following the Steelers/Penguins when I was a kid because they were good" like you do with teams like the Cowboys and 49ers. Everyone I've met had at least some connection with the team, most likely that their parents grew up in the city. Besides, 50% of Caps fans think the season starts in mid-April. /end serious discussion Did you hear that Ovie never received his Hart Trophy last year? The award ceremony was held in the Caps defensive zone and he was no where to be found. |
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The Miz
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... ZING! Ok, I'll level with you on the bandwagon fan, but it did bump the 'burgh up the list. Dallas actually didn't make it because there's only one team that we really hate. While they'd be near (or at) the top for any singular team, they just don't cut it on this list. |
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CGally
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... Ah, I see what you mean about Dallas. David Stern is the only person that hates the Mavericks, and the only people to hate the Stars live in Buffalo, where God doesn't pay attention. |
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